Another pit bull vs infant mauling..

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Originally posted by cavalierlwt
one that you don't see usually in mutts

Mutts are supposedly the best.

My lat dog was a mutt, and I fucking happily but that fucker down.

Bit me numerous times. Bit my dad(two days in the hospital because of infection). Bit the neighbor. Bit one of my friends. Bit a girls nose and gave her 16 stitches, she sued us and got 15 grand.

The dog itself was a fucking nut job. Only one it did not bite was my mommy, who of course loved the dog(and when I left for college, it became hers as I was not taking that stupid fucking piece of shit).

My friends pitt bull is the nicest dog you will ever meet. It is also well trained.

I have never owned one, nor would I, but pitt bulls are just like any dog. Some can be bad just because they are. Most are proper dogs as long as they are trained correctly.

[CodeRed68 Profile]

The first thing you read in dog training manuals is that if your dog does something wrong or that you don't want it to, don't blame the dog. Blame yourself. You didn't train it correctly or thoroughly.
That being said.. I still think there is something about pit bulls that cannot be trained. In thier genes. You always hear "he was the nicest dog. never hurt a fly". Then they snap.

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bromsin most of the times my words like my mind ramble on.

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CodeRed68

In thier genes. You always hear "he was the nicest dog. never hurt a fly". Then they snap.

This reminds me of the movie Madagasgar how the Lion while in captivity wouldn't bite any of the other animals but them when in the wild he was forced to get meat from the other animals so he started attacking the others...lol bit the zeebras but Not really the same but I'm just saying no matter how much you mask instincts of animals somewhere deeply imbedded in there brain they want to attack and so on...

I'd never want to own a pitbull...I love my Labs and goldens just fine

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I can say that you can 'breed' an animal to be violent or not. Typically 'mutts' are heathier since they have watered down genetics, and the dogs behaivor usually reflects that. Pure bred Pitbulls are in-fact inbred for a reason, to fight.

When dog breeders breed dogs, they will usually breed dogs that have certain characteristics, in fighting dogs, dogs that are more violent - those are the dogs that mate. And they continue to breed the most violent dogs.

Every time a dog snaps, in not because of bad training, there are certain genetic markers with dogs (and any animal) that will lead to violent behaivior, usually linked to defective recessive genetic markers that only come out with pure breeds, or inbreeding.

So when a person says 'the reason why the dog snaps is this or that', it's not usually because of one thing, it's usually environment and genetic factors combined to increase the total risk factor of something like this happening.

So you can say, a Chihuahua can typically be more violent, because typically those breeds are severly inbred - thus prone to violence. But the difference between those dogs and Pitbulls is that a Chihuahua will have a hard time knawing your face off.

So if anyone says Pitbulls are prone and bred for violence built into their DNA, the answer is yes. But does that mean _all_ Pitbulls will kill people on first sight, no. But with any dog that is bred to kill, it will be _that_ much harder to train those tendancies out of the dog, and there will be that much more chance that the dog will snap if it's bred that way.

If you want the qualities of a Pitbull, get like a 50/50 mix, that way a lot of the defective genetic material will be bred out of the new dog at that point - also due to the fact that mix breeds are healthier than pure breeds anyway - why risk getting a diseased purebred dog anyway?

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I agree. I have a mutt. Mutts are the only way to go. Not only better behavior, but they can be found for free at the local pound. Why anyone would pay hundreds of dollars for a pure breed puppy is beyond me.

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And plus when you get a dog from the pound your in all reality your saving them from being youthinized eventually...Pure breed dogs that cost money are almost never put down because they are worth money...

My brother got a dog the day it was scheduled to be put to sleap so he named it lucky

I remember last year there was a dog that was put in a gas chamber to be put to sleap and it survived and was basically imune to the poison gases I thought that was really cool

Also kind of sad in Horse racing how they put the horses to sleep whenever they get hurt just because of the money...like barbero or whatever the horses name is...they say its harder for a horse to heal a broken leg because you can tell a person to not walk on there hurt leg and let it heal but for a horse you cant and they often reinjure it and die in result...

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Genetics do not work in a straight line. Yes. Breeding within a certain small pool of genes causes defects. Yes, over generations you can enhance the expression of certain defects but expression of genes is not a straightforward thing. Nor is the relationship to behavior and genes either understood or proven.

So you can give general statements BUT you cannot say for certain this dog plus that dog will give this result. You can say this dog plus that dog MAY give this result but then, it MAY not.

Genes can be hidden (recessive) and not expressed for generations.

[cavalierlwt Profile]

I do love mutts. They usually not the biggest, or don't have some sort of special skill, but they are just the friendliest, happy-go-lucky type of dogs. Golden Retrievers are pretty darn docile too IMHO.

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Originally posted by Stl Lunatic
Also kind of sad in Horse racing how they put the horses to sleep whenever they get hurt just because of the money...like barbero or whatever the horses name is...they say its harder for a horse to heal a broken leg because you can tell a person to not walk on there hurt leg and let it heal but for a horse you cant and they often reinjure it and die in result...

Its not because of the money (yes it is expensive) but when a horse gets injured, they can't lie down. Unlike human where we can lie down and rest until we're healed, a horse's digestive track isn't made to have the horse lie down. They actually get sick and can die. You can't make a horse lie down and rest until the injury is healed. Horses are made for grazing and must be on all fours. Thats why usually horses are put down when they break something.

Back on track, Mutts are the best. I've had two of them. Both boarder collie mixes.

[willy lump lump Profile]

yes back in the day pit bulls fought each other for sport and some are animal agressive, but in these pit fights these dogs would have rounds similar to boxing matches and the owner would fix them up like a cut man. think about trying to handle a hurt dog now. if a fighting dog displayed any human aggression while getting fixed upor at any point that dog was taken out of the gene pool. these dogs were breed on their gameness only (never quiting). that is why there is so much color and build variations. however the past 20 to 30 years is when the pit bull got its terrible rep. gangsters and not so bright people wanted a tuff and macho dog to show how tuff and macho they really are. these thugs do not care about having a proper trained dog or if it is inbreed or not.. petey from the little rascals was a pit bull the marines mascot i s a pit bull. i like dogs even pit bulls but some pit bulls as well as other dogs do not have much going on upstairs. these are the dogs i do not like much you can see it in their eyes. plus pit bull as a breed is not even recognized by the akc. the one golden retriever that i know is prob one of the worst dogs i know, well bottom five. i know that the size of a adog also comes into play with the amount of damage they can do but for me that does not matter bad dog is a bad dog. we can talk breeds all day long and never come to an agreement about good breed and bad. i think we can all agree that it all boils down to being a responsible dog owner. who else knows your dog better then you?

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Willy I see some Irony with that post next to that avatar.