World War 3 imminent

by **SavageParrot** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:22 am

Originally posted by RCglider
Yes, the world is largely anti-Semitic.

No the world is largely anti-israel. Using the phrase anti-semitic is provocative and intended to make their complaints look like senseless racism. Having a problem with their governments' policy of disproportionate responses is not the same as having a problem with the people just because they happen to be jewish. There is a big difference. Just like there is a big difference between being anti-guantanamo and being anti-american.

I support their right to exist. But I don't have to support every action they take because they say it necessary towards that end.

Originally posted by RCglider
It is a satellite government of Iran which holds the entire country of Lebanon hostage. Remember, R1559 called for the dismantling of Hezbollah in 2000, along with Syria removing their influence.

I know it's a sattelite of Iran. It is still not a government however.

Originally posted by RCglider
Can you say with a straight face the North Korean people are better off?

Can you say that The Vietnamese people are? War is not always the answer.

Originally posted by RCglider
They have drones and ground intel btw.

Then they know perfectly well that the missile crew has already left before they drop the bombs making the bombs nothing but a senseless punishment of civilians who had nothing to do with the attack.

Originally posted by RCglider
Also, Israel dropped leaflets warning the population to evacuate.

Oh right I see so Israel told them to move out of their homes and become refugees before they bombed them. That makes it ok I guess.

Tell me, where were they supposed to go?

Originally posted by RCglider
You seem to think no matter what type of combatant a detainee is or what act they committed.

What act they commited is not relevant. They might be monsters but you treat them like humans and that is how you know for sure that you are better than them.

Originally posted by RCglider
I'll guarantee if your family is hit, all this talk about demanding "rights" for terrorists will go out the window. You'll want to shoot them yourself.

Which is the very reason we have laws. Because the victims of crime are not in a position to be impartial. Withput law you have anarchy.

Incidentaly when are you going to hand over all the IRA supporters you are hiding for justice in UK courts? Oh that's right you are not, your senate wouldn't ratify that part of the extradition treaty. Seems like they want rights for some terrorists...

Originally posted by RCglider
It's really puzzling why you continue defending these terrorist bastards. What exactly do you consider torture? Somehow I don't correlate forcing a man to wear women's underwear to sawing off a man's head while he's still alive.

Neither do I but the fact that the one is so extreme doesn't make the other any less cruel. Also if all they were doing at guantanamo and abu greib was dressing them up funny then you'd hear less complaing from me. Humiliation's not good but that's not all that is going on in these places.

It's not good enough to justify one's actions based on the fact that they are still not as bad as those of the terrorist. Terrorists are the lowest of the low and we will beat them eventually, there are just some things we need not to give up to do it.

Originally posted by RCglider
Do you consider Navy Seal training torture? It's certainly far worse treatment than any of your Gitmo buddies are getting....

Navy seals volunteer for their training and they are free to leave at any time.

Originally posted by RCglider
Al Qaeda does not have my "Rights".

Which is great if you can prove that they are al qeeda. Like it or not though a large number of people in there are innocent.

If they are guilty they should be tried and sentenced. Justice must be seen to be done.

by **PraiseA||ah** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:40 pm

Originally posted by RCglider
In the aftermath of the 4 U.N. workers being killed, one being a Canadian, Kofi Annan accuses Israel of purposely targeting them? To what end would this benefit Israel? Could it be, just maybe, Hezbollah was using the U.N. outpost as a shield? No? Why not? It's really not hard to figure out that Hezbollah and all terrorists for that matter uses women, children, homes, hospitals, schools, taxis, businesses etc. as shields, so why not the U.N.? Is it so difficult to see this? No tactic is off limits to these animals.

The ends would be to get the UN out of the way so that Israel can do whatever it pleases with no consequences. If an impartial observer doesn't see it, it didn't happen. I don't mean that specific outpost but the political aftermath that results from it. The pressure put on the UN to withdraw from the region until the current hostilities are over. Israel has done the same thing in the past. They did the same exact thing to the US. http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/04/23/liberty.attack/
http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair1126.html

Originally posted by RCglider

The United Nothings is the modern day repository for anti-Semitism. Name one conflict they have ever resolved and one time they've ever sided with Israel despite being attacked on countless occasions over the past 58 years. The U.N. is the most inept, corrupt incompetent useless organization ever conceived. Al Qaida, Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Al-Jihad....go right down the list. Last I recall there’re over 100 of these Islamic fascist groups operating throughout the world, some right here in the U.S. Recent events in Canada should speak volumes. Someone said attacks around the world are not related? Nonsense. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. They are all connected. Just today Al Qaeda has sworn allegiance to Hezbollah. Others mentioned this isn't a world war? How else can it be described but world war? Still others don't believe violence won't escalate into a world war unless Iran and Syria get directly involved. They ARE involved, right up to their turbans. Hezbollah is a satellite government for Iran; make no mistake, Iran is calling the shots.

Whether people want to face it or not, we are in a fight for survival and it is not going to end until those who want to kill us are neutralized (is that a nicer word than dead?) or lose the will to fight; each and every one of them. For those not concerned about what’s going on in Israel, you’d better be. Radical Islam’s (is there anything but?) sworn goal is the annihilation of all Jews, the destruction of Israel, and conquest of the world. Does this sound ridiculous? It’s not to them. Violence (aka terrorism) is an acceptable method by which to accomplish their goal to force people into submission, ala Spain. While some are trying to figure out why they hate them, these Islamic lunatics are figuring out ways to kill us. We don’t need to understand why they want to kill us, only that they do. Anyone willing to strap bombs on their children, send them to their death, then celebrate it is a hard egg to crack wouldn’t you agree? People think they can negotiate with this? How do you negotiate with a culture that raise their kids from birth to hate and kill Jews and non-Muslims? They even kill their own with no remorse. Can anyone submit a video showing Muslims anywhere in the world not celebrating in the streets after 9/11?

I do not understand your broad generalizations and stereotypes at all. It would be great if you would limit your stereotyping to a minimum. Current Muslim population is estimated to be 1.6 billion. There are many degrees of belief within Islam itself as there are within any other religion. Push ignorance and hatred aside, use your common sense. Apply what you know of your own religion to others in terms of firmness of belief/faith. Not every member of a religion is an extremist fanatic bent upon making everyone else in the world a follower of their god(s) and practices. Some are - and they are a part of most major religions. That doesn't mean everyone who practices a religion is an extremist.

If you're going to call the UN anti Semetic it would be great if you put some proof of that up here. The same with saying all 1.6 billion Muslims follow the same doctrine and are all supporting the fight against Israel or the US.

The reality is actually far far different. Muslims, Christians and Jews have (and still do in some communities) in fact, lived in the Middle East - peacefully coexisting for the great majority of history rather than at each other's throats. The creation of the state of Israel is a catalyst for the current problems.

I do not see Al Qaeda as a state. Basing whether a new world war is on because they throw their support to a minor player in a minor war as proof of a world war is imo, naive.

by **cavalierlwt** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:07 pm

Isreal has a history of things similar to the bombing of the UN outpost...ala the USS Liberty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

by **SavageParrot** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:51 pm

Now come on now surely we are just picking holes. They say it was an accident so I am sure that must be the case

Incidentaly this wasn't even the first post they have hit in this campaign:

http://www.examiner.com/a-185608~Hezbollah_Rockets_Hit_UN_Observation_Post.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/21/AR2006072100157.html

Now what are the odds of accidentaly shelling 2 clearly marked big white UN observation posts in the same campaingn. I'd say the chances are pretty slim myself.

Unless of course you believe that the guy in the bunker can't tell the difference between a missile coming from lebanon and a shell fired from Israel. I know who I believe...

by **Horsepower** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:10 pm

what? my tax dollars are buying bullets for another country to kill other people? no way...

by **Horsepower** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:55 pm

Originally posted by cavalierlwt
I don't think Israel is wrong to protect itself, but I do think they should have gone back to pre-1967 borders, and built their wall there. Better yet, set up a two mile security zone, one mile within Israel, one mile within the neighboring countries involved in the conflicts, and have the UN patrol the security zone and checkpoints (entry/exit points).

I don't think the Arabs will ever stop hating Israel or wanting to destroy it, but it would be a lot better if Israel had clean hands, same for the US. It would make things more cut-n-dried.

Yes, nicely put as Parrot said. I have long felt this way.

I would also like to add the US needs to be more impartial to this whole conflict. IMO, don't fund either side...or give equal funding and arms to both sides and let 'em fight it out till there's a clear winner. I don't care one way or the other.

by **munky73770** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:49 am

Originally posted by CodeRed68
I hope Isreal bombs the hell out of Hezbollah until there is nothing left. It is a long time coming for them. They brought this upon themselves. Hezbollah should also not hide themselves or thier weapons amongst the civilian population otherwise, as we have seen, they are putting thier own supporters in the line of fire.
Hezbollah has launched 150 missles in the last 24 hours blindly into Isreali cities, aimed at innocent civilians. I don't know but to me this doesn't seem like good, strategic, military targeting of the Isreali army. More like senseless murders of innocent civilians. Oh wait, that is what they are best at. They've had 25+ years of practice at it.
I don't want to pretend to know everything about the ME but from what I understand, the whole reason Isreal occupied places like the Gaza Strip, southern Lebanon, the Golan Heights, etc. was to prevent the terrorists from using these places as sites to launch missles into the Isreali population. Isreal finally pulls out of these places after taking a lot of heat in recent years and what happens? The Islamic terrorists step right up and use these places to launch thier missles again. No wonder Isreal is like WTF, and making them pay.

Yup, thats pretty much the case.

To hell with Hezbollah...Syria and Iran are going to get it next...maybe not right this instant, but I give it less than 3 years and they will get whats been coming to them for a long time now.

by **-BRAWN-** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:52 am

Too hell with Lebanon and all those who attack Isreal! and Allah your right to a degree that muslims, chritiansand jews can share the same space and live peacefully, but those are true people who only believe in peace and dont bother nobody. but thers not many and thats what sucks. I m behind Isreal all the way and they will not lose cause there bad ass and have" GOD "backin there ass's AND with that they wont lose period !!!!!!!!!!!!! If your not with GOD or Jesus you will parrish like the rest over the years. Its all ther all you got to do is read. Also Isreal has the most dominating airforce around and you cant touch that either!!!!!!!!Everything that is happening at this moment in time is all in revalations. All you need to know is are your going or staying when shit goes down..........cause when the sht goes down you better be ready and thats the truth the whole truth so help me GOD

by **SavageParrot** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:58 am

Was there an eleventh commandment that said 'Thou shalt not punctuate what ye shall type'? I think I must have missed that one

Speaking as one who has actually read revelations I have to say it doesn't make a whole lot of sense and that I can't really see anything there that really applies to the situation in Lebanon. Maybe it's time I read it again. It's been a few years since I read the bible cover to cover

I keep meaning to read the Koran as well. It's always nice to be able to smack people down using their own texts...

by **=ender=** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:28 am

Originally posted by -BRAWN-
Too hell with Lebanon and all those who attack Isreal! and Allah your right to a degree that muslims, chritiansand jews can share the same space and live peacefully, but those are true people who only believe in peace and dont bother nobody. but thers not many and thats what sucks. I m behind Isreal all the way and they will not lose cause there bad ass and have" GOD "backin there ass's AND with that they wont lose period !!!!!!!!!!!!! If your not with GOD or Jesus you will parrish like the rest over the years. Its all ther all you got to do is read. Also Isreal has the most dominating airforce around and you cant touch that either!!!!!!!!Everything that is happening at this moment in time is all in revalations. All you need to know is are your going or staying when shit goes down..........cause when the sht goes down you better be ready and thats the truth the whole truth so help me GOD

The Flying Spaghetti Monster does not approve of this message.

Oh, and neither does Cthulhu.

by **Chacal** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:02 am

FSM pwns both Allah and the Jeebus.

by **PraiseA||ah** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:07 pm

His noodly appendages pwn you.

by **elsapo** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:14 pm

Get the truth from both sides: LINKTV

by **SavageParrot** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:11 pm

Forget lebannon it's time we bombed france:

http://www.bombfrance.cobblers.org/

by **cavalierlwt** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:21 pm

Hey, Parrot, here's a question that you can easily find out. Ask some old people if the French were considered snotty and arrogant before WWII, or if that is just an attitude they took up after WWII.
Seriously, it's something I've wondered about, and I'm sure some old Brits would could answer this.

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