Electrical car too good to be true??

[Wesley Profile YIM]

Originally posted by SavageParrot
Yes but the cost of retooling their existing factories would be far more expensive than just buying the idea and making sure it never sees the light of day.

Why would GM or Ford bury this idea, I think they would love to have it. Its the Oil Companyies that hate the idea, like Ferret said.
I think they would rather retool than be run into the ground like the current pace.

[[ecgn] btt Profile]

I don't think the oil companies would lose out to much. Everything in our society needs oil or needs petroleum to be made. Gas is just part of the oil companies profits. How much of a piece? I don't know I am to lazy to Google it.

As for electric cars. I have had an idea for one for some time now. All I need are some donations and we could corner the market. And just because GM or whoever can by the idea and squash it. That does not mean someone is going to sell it to them. I know I would never. No amount of money would keep me from changing society in such a profound way.

[ferret963 Profile ICQYIM]

Originally posted by [ECGN] BTT
I don't think the oil companies would lose out to much. Everything in our society needs oil or needs petroleum to be made. Gas is just part of the oil companies profits. How much of a piece? I don't know I am to lazy to Google it.

As for electric cars. I have had an idea for one for some time now. All I need are some donations and we could corner the market. And just because GM or whoever can by the idea and squash it. That does not mean someone is going to sell it to them. I know I would never. No amount of money would keep me from changing society in such a profound way.

Yea look at all the plastic we have/use. . .

[SavageParrot Profile]

They will when they think the market is actually there. It's a big rist to take on the hope that people will buy the thing though. Lets face it despite all the grumbling about the cost of gas how many people buy cars based solely on their economy to run. There are a whole host of other factors to consider like where can I recharge it on the road? Why does it look like a tellytubby bred with barney the dinosaur? How fast can it go? How quick does it accelerate?

Cheap to run is nice but if it makes you look like a gimp and feel like you are sitting inside a tumble drier people still aren't gonna buy it. Even if the idea works they's still have to spend millions on design and fine tuning, marketing and retooling. The potential to turn out a turkey far outweighs the potential to make a killing because even if it sells well it won't be long before someone produces a rival and lowers the price. If the car industry has shown one thing in the last 100 years it's that if change is gonna happen it's gonna happen slowly.

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Any car company that could buy exclusive rights to this, if it works as stated, would stand to profit massively.

The reason it's not all over bulli, is cause most in the press don't have the first clue what's different between this kind of electric car and all the others to come before it.

This is the best concept I've heard yet as far as alternatives go. The battery powered electric cars have inherent issues due to the batteries. Chemicals, weight, being able to discharge fast enough to release a lot of power in a short time, long recharge time.

I'm suprised they can pull off making a capacitor (system) that can hold this amount of energy, as well as charging and discharging as fast as stated, and be small enough to fit in a typical car. The charge time is insane for that amount of energy. The amount of current flowing to charge that fast must be in the 100's of amps. I bet they've already fried a few working out the bugs. Would love to be involved with an R+D project like that.

As for the power grid, yeah this would add a lot of strain if a mainstream company started to sell a ton of these things. That's an issue that would take several solutions to work around. My guess is that the bulk of re-energizing stations would crop up clustered near power stations initially. But they'd have to go everywhere else too, so grid upgrades would be unavoidable. But all in all it looks very promising, time will tell.

[[ecgn] btt Profile]

Originally posted by ferret963
Yea look at all the plastic we have/use. . .

Not to mention we use oil to make electricity.

And as Parrot mentioned. Inferstucture is one of the major things holding change back. With that said. If we can put a man on the moon in ten years.....

[cavalierlwt Profile]

Well, let's the say the ultra capacitor works as advertised. If that's the case, we would have to make some major changes in our electrical infrastructure. This would be ok though, we would have a concrete roadmap to where we are going, and the money we save by not having to insure the free flow of oil from the ME would easily pay (over time) for the upgrade. It would friggin incredible, a real milestone, all good.

That being said, I remain at least skeptical until I see something substantial. The fact that these guys are making deals with the people making those ZEVs is kind of bad sign to me. My gut tells me if it's all that, they would be dealing directly with GM and Ford, with all the massive funding that goes along with them. Then again, maybe the ZEVs will be the public 'proof of concept', allow them to deal from strength when they deal with the big car companies.
The only thing really keeping me from dismissing it altogether is that it was at least found on CNN.

[SavageParrot Profile]

Originally posted by [ECGN] BTT
If we can put a man on the moon in ten years.....

Juries still out on that one

[]DP[Artie Profile]

Originally posted by SavageParrot
Juries still out on that one

We've already done it.

[ferret963 Profile ICQYIM]

That's for those of you who thought it would be smarter to catch some Z's in your US history class. Gata love Kennedy

[cavalierlwt Profile]

Perhaps Parrot is one of those Lunar Landing Conspiracy Theorists?
http://www.moonhoax.com/site/evidence.html

I kinda admire the authors of these conspiracy theory books. They make tons of money selling books to the weird little subculture of people who get off on the idea of being 'in the know', of thinking that they are one the very few who see through some grand scheme.
I should come up with something. Lunar landing, Holocaust, 9/11 have already been covered. Hmmm.

[CreepingCharlie Profile]

Originally posted by cavalierlwt
http://www.moonhoax.com/site/evidence.html

Wow that is some extreme bullshit there.

[SavageParrot Profile]

It's one if the few conspiracies I lend some credence to. I don't necessarily believe it but then I don't necessarily believe that they landed on the moon either. Lets face it it's nearly 40 years later and the shuttle can bareley make it out of the atmosphere. I believe they got into space, I don't buy the 'oh they never went anywhere line'. Bus as for whether or not they made it to the moon I am not convinced. Take that photo for example background not seem kind of black to you. Where are the stars? That's a pretty big slice of sky to not have a single star showing and I didn't just read this somewhere and pick it up I looked at the photo and that's what I can see. Look at it yourself and tell me if you don't think that's odd. I'm not saying it definately didn't happen I'm just saying I want to see a little more proof than photos like that and a video that has the flag flapping. I say abou the flag flapping because there isn't any wind on the moon. If there was wind there then those craters would get smoothed over pretty quick and yet they aren't there are craters everywhere, and you know why? Because THERE IS NO WIND ON THE MOON!

So you can cluck and flap about what an idiot I am but untill some one explains to me how a flag can flap in a 0 atmosphere environment I am gonna have profound suspicions about the moon landing vido at least. Maybe when the Japanese get their close focus pics of the moon surface they'll be able to see the moon lander and flag and then I'll be content

You also have to wonder about the telemetry tapes though I saw that reported on the BBC so they didn't make that up. They are the record of the self professed greatest achievement of mankind and yet they get lost. You'd think something like that would be framed on a wall somewhere or in a bank vault not being left lying around for someone to half inch. It'd be like losing the original copy of Darwin's 'Origin of the Species' and then shrugging your shoulders. At the very least they've just lost a priceless treasure, that's more than enough to be pissed at them

[[ecgn] btt Profile]

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/Apollo15/A15_Experiments_LRRR.html


O and Parrot. The flag moved do to equal and opposite reaction.

[SavageParrot Profile]

lol yeah I just read that as well before you posted it (the wonders of google). I'm still 50/50 though