North Korea tests nuke..

by **Lord ZOG** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:49 pm

I'd like to think that the mere threat of 2.8 million pissed-off Chinese massing at North Korea's border would send some second thoughts into that pin-head lunatic's already overwhelmed brain.

China's Army may be poorly trained, and using antiquated equipment...but they'd sure make short work of Korea. It's the political fallout they'd have to worry about.

by **Gen. Ouch** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:05 pm

Originally posted by Lord ZOG
I'd like to think that the mere threat of 2.8 million pissed-off Chinese massing at North Korea's border would send some second thoughts into that pin-head lunatic's already overwhelmed brain.

China's Army may be poorly trained, and using antiquated equipment...but they'd sure make short work of Korea. It's the political fallout they'd have to worry about.

now why in the hell would China, NK strongest ally, attack them... that just doesn't make sense. what may happen is a US supported attack by SK, christ it could be the Korean war all over again, and this time who knows if china and russia will sit idly by and whatch it happen, with what we've seen of Bush they may decide that he wont stop at the border to china and launch an attack in support of NK. and theres no way the US could win a war against russia and china, no way in hell.

by **PraiseA||ah** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:15 pm

LOL

Who would win in a world war scenerio with the US and supporting allies, of course, on one side, and NK, China, Russia and supporting allies on the other.

Interesting question. I think the US and company would win a conventional war. I think everyone would lose in a nuclear war though.

The US and allies have the upper hand when it comes to technology. If motivated, the US can switch a very large economy into producing the tools of war. A draft would ensue and hell would break loose. China and Russia might have superior numbers .. but that doesn't give them an edge in today's warfare.

At any rate, I doubt any war involving these parties would remain conventional and I'm sure I would die in the first salvo as I live in Boston. Much is here that would make it a prime target. So my vote is no. No war with China and Russia. Thank you anyway.

by **Gen. Ouch** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:23 pm

i know technology is a huge thing, but i don't aggree in this case that it would turn the tide i really don't think it can stand up to numbers these massive, for another thing, the US and supporting allies would be attacking Russia and China on home soil, no army in the history of war has ever deafeted russia on its home soil. can you imagine how massive the army china could raise if it drafted all the able bodied men in the country.

by **cavalierlwt** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:05 am

While I don't think there will be a war, I do think that Lil' Kim there looks seriously, for real, insane. Not the 'he makes terrible decisions' type of insane, but the 'actually belongs in an asylum' type of insane.
Now Kim Jong Il has to figure out a way to both keep the nukes and get food for/by having them.
China is in a weird position. They are allies of sort with NK, but most of that is rooted in the past. NK is of little use to them, scrounges food of them, and now worst of all, is pissing off China's #1 customer and meal ticket: The USA.
China can't afford to let NK do anything that upsets the applecart as far as their business with the US goes.

by **Alofwar** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:13 am

Chinas main prblem is if they do withdraw the food and fuel, millions of North Koreans will try to get over the border into China. They may look at it the other way, if they dont have to prop up NK they may have even faster econimic growth which could tip their decision.

by **Lord ZOG** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:37 am

I think China is more interested in fitting in to the world economy than supporting North Korea. I think they've had a taste of what capitalism can offer, and they're not willing to sit by and watch North Korea ruin their party.

And if you say that China is North Korea's strongest, most intimidating ally in terms of it's Army's strength, I'd agree...however, China doesn't have as strong a national relationship with Korea as you might think.

The United States and France are allies, too but are there strong government bonds there?

by **CodeRed68** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:06 am

great.. our worst fears are realized... NK is now threatening to fire the nukes... bluff or no bluff.. this is not funny...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/10/korea.nuclear.test/index.html

by **PraiseA||ah** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:43 am

I think North Korea called our bluff once and is going to call it for a second time.

Our president has mired us in Iraq. We haven't the resources readily available for an all out war on North Korea because they're in Iraq. Even if we pulled out of Iraq today, it would take a long time to muster the resources needed for an invasion over there.

Ok, so no invasion is imminent. How about a limited strike? Now that they have demonstrated nuclear ability, South Korea and Japan are in extreme danger of retaliatory nuclear strikes from North Korea.

In the end, I doubt we will end up doing a damn thing about it militarily. Sanctions are what we will do. I don't think those are going to do much to stop them either though. They've starved before and their economy is crippled but they still haven't stopped producing nukes. What makes anyone think they'll stop if we do it again.

I know I sound like a broken record. But I blame Bush quite a lot on this one. I said on this very forum in other threads that North Korea was the real threat. If I figured out they were the problem and that Sadaam wasn't, there is no way he didn't know. Unlike Bush, I don't have access to the 'intelligence industry.' All I have to shape my view of the world is news agencies.

Hmm.. I'll stop my rant. I had typed more but I think maybe I'm getting overly political here so I'll post this and back off a bit.

by **Sayntfuu** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:50 pm

It certainly makes regional politics a whole shade darker. I wonder if sanctions can do much to a country that is that poor yet still manages to make some nukes.

by **Wesley** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:11 pm

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
I know I sound like a broken record. But I blame Bush quite a lot on this one. I said on this very forum in other threads that North Korea was the real threat. If I figured out they were the problem and that Sadaam wasn't, there is no way he didn't know. Unlike Bush, I don't have access to the 'intelligence industry.' All I have to shape my view of the world is news agencies.

Oh Snap, Allah figured it out, we can cut millions off of our budget.
With all these so called "News Agencies", we can rid ourselves of those money grubbing "intelligence Agencies" since they get even better information.
People would have to have something to bitch about no matter if Bush had invaded North Korea or Iraq. Think of all the poor innocent Koreans that would have met their untimely doom had we invaded Korea.... :violin:

by **CodeRed68** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:19 pm

What pisses me off is that we knew about this years ago and did nothing but warn and threaten sanctions and try to be diplomatic when clearly those don't work with certain governments/groups.
Now here we are where we all knew we would be. Something tells me we will be in the same position a couple years from now but it won't be NK.. it will be Iran.

by **Wesley** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:29 pm

Then everyone will blame some president, and those same people would be against going to war with them beforehand.

US citizens have perfect Hindsight, and are never wrong.

by **[ecgn] btt** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:59 pm

Ask the Afghanis or more specific the Taliban who would win U.S.A. vs Russia.

And that is the Russia of old. Russia today ain't the same. I would bet their military is in more shambles then the world knows. China may put together a large army. But that will just be more to surrender to the UAV's like the Iraqis did. Go ahead and give the citizens of America a just reason to fight a war. Ask Japan what that does.

by **Alofwar** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:29 pm

The Fact of the matter is, this now makes me think the war in Iraq was a mistake, and i supported it until now. Because of invading Iraq who probably didnt have nuclear weapons, we can't attack the far greater threat of NK. Also, it was easily foreseable that the present violence in Iraq would emerge, but in North Korea it would be far, far less as, to my knowledge, does not have the same ethnic and religious hostilities within itself and could eventually be merged with the south.

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