Off topic, but don't go too far overboard - after all, we are watching...heh.
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Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:16 pm

Originally posted by Sannop
EDIT: Sorry for the rant... but obviously I am ticked off tonight. I wanted to start this off with the statement that this is not at all directed at Chacal. He is a top-notch person, one of my favorite personalities here.

Chacal many in the US feel that they get that sentiment from the world.

Right now the Liberians are mad because we didn't send in troops to stop their turmoil... but if we did we would have a good share of the rest of the world (including France) raving about how imperialistic the US is.

The French have aided the negative sentiment from the US. I grew up military and we were stationed in the Azores in the 1970s. My family was regularly told not to visit France because of the horrible treament that Americans got, especially US military. Many in the US feel, as if we are at least owed respect from the French for WWII.

At times, whenever I get filled with non-realistic ideas, I wonder what the world would think if the US actually did "butt-out" of everyone else's business.

The UN wants an $800 million NO INTEREST loan to rebuild when many of its members have never paid anything back on earlier loans. Ok what if we take the "butt-out" approach .... take the UN elsewhere, we will supply only as much money as the other members (even if we supplied only what #2 did.. it would go broke).

Stop all foriegn aid..... hell we might actually be able to have public schools that aren't falling down.

Stop allowing an uneven exchange of the use of learning insitutions.

Hell, lets seal off our borders and all aid and communication for three dam years and see what hell breaks loose throughout the world.

I am sorry if this sounds harsh, and most of you that have read my posts hopefully understand that I really try to be neutral. But after reading about the current rounds of anti-US sentiment throughout the world over not protecting Liberia followed by constant bashing for everything that we actually do... I have had enough.

I question our leaders on every issue. Many poor decision have been made. But dammit the world, including the US, is full of pathetic whiners that have no clue as to what the US has done in the last 200+ years for freedom and democracy across the globe. This forum itself would not exist as a tool of free expression if not for the US.

I have friends that are cops that get an attitude. They get tired of evryone bitching at them for arriving too late whenever they are needed, and bitching whenever the are around anytime else. Well hell, if you want to know why so many in the US have an attitude .. there you go.

My only question is, once again, where the hell does the French attitude come from? Is it from the fact that the were once the main power of the Western World and now they probably couldn't even take the Basques if they threw everything at them? Hey, even GB won a war in the last hundred years.

I personally love the history of France, and I have enjoyed every French person that I have ever met. I want to spend weeks there seeing the sights that I have read about. But the anit-US sentiment has turned even me. I will not go spend my money there. I will go to England instead.


I understand that you're irritated by the constant flow of comments.

You forgot one thing in your "US butt-out" scenario. If you're really gonna close down your borders, stop all foreign aid, no UN funding ... don't forget you will close down you economic borders too. If you close down your economic borders, World trade will shift to other continents to do trade. Your country will butt-out on Billions of economic profit. We all know USA has become a wealthy country mainly due to World trade. Other countries will see an increase in their profits ald will be able to give the appropriate funding to UN, world aid, ...


So where does the French attitude come from?
A possible answer: The USA does not like that the French are dictating their foreign policy, and the French don't like it that the US is butting out discussions and take world matters in their own hand without listening to other countries.

Tue Jul 22, 2003 5:39 pm

Originally posted by FLOPPY
I understand that you're irritated by the constant flow of comments.

You forgot one thing in your "US butt-out" scenario. If you're really gonna close down your borders, stop all foreign aid, no UN funding ... don't forget you will close down you economic borders too. If you close down your economic borders, World trade will shift to other continents to do trade. Your country will butt-out on Billions of economic profit. We all know USA has become a wealthy country mainly due to World trade.


Floppy, my numbers tell me different. We IMPORT one hell of a lot more goods than we export. We are the largest consumer market on the planet.

It is another argument that annoys Americans. It seems that eveyone complains at how wasteful we are, but they dam sure don't complain when we buy their shit.

If we closed our trade the rest of the industrial world would be in severe econmic trouble. Our current trade defecit if $370 billion dollars. Without our markets, Europe and Japan would be hurting. Just look at how the French economy suffered when Americans reduced their wine purchases.

I am sorry to say it, but we really don't need the world market other than one reason. The competition provided by outside manufacturers(such as japanese cars) makes our manufacturers more competent.

Also, this may shock most of you .. but we import less than half of our oil. If we ever fully utilize Alaska, the mid east would be in severe pain. That is why they are so too faced with us. The hate us, but they need our dam money.

Tue Jul 22, 2003 7:42 pm

Originally posted by Sannop
EDIT:
My only question is, once again, where the hell does the French attitude come from? Is it from the fact that the were once the main power of the Western World and now they probably couldn't even take the Basques if they threw everything at them? Hey, even GB won a war in the last hundred years.

I personally love the history of France, and I have enjoyed every French person that I have ever met. I want to spend weeks there seeing the sights that I have read about. But the anit-US sentiment has turned even me. I will not go spend my money there. I will go to England instead.
if that would be the real truth You will have to include me as an anti-US whatever you want to call it, we are no longer a main poer country it is a stupid behaviour since, <cough, cough>, Spain was a better empire, a bigger empire than any other known <cough, cough> and for 200 years at least.:D
But no anti US feelings right here, only thinking about how many asses we fragged in the past...:P


Don´t go to England, too much rain, everything too expensive,too many pollution, just come here to Spain, Beach, mountain, lowest prices, good weather, and of course... chicks! ( new advertisemnt style):D

Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:16 pm

I would love to visit Spain. I have been to Portugal (even though it was during the revolution in the mid 1970's.. didn't really get to enjoy it), but that is the closest that I have been to Spain.

I don't know if my wife wants me to look at the ladies though.:lol:

I want to go to a Spanish League match.

Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:02 am

Originally posted by Sannop
I would love to visit Spain. I have been to Portugal (even though it was during the revolution in the mid 1970's.. didn't really get to enjoy it), but that is the closest that I have been to Spain.

I don't know if my wife wants me to look at the ladies though.:lol:

I want to go to a Spanish League match.

opps sorry, but in my oppinion no man is jealous if he have to spend time with two if needed.:D
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