What real guns do you own?

by **Lt. Wilson** » Sun Sep 14, 2003 11:15 pm

I wrote a pretty good rant before calming down and erasing it,you people that don't care for the U.S. or our ways probably don't live here and/or understand us and I can accept that,but the ones who live here and complain can either leave or shut up,you will most likely be the cowards hiding,crying,begging if, God forbid, we were ever invaded on our soil.I will be the one most likely dragging your dead carcass out of my way to defeat and fuck up anyone who invades my land.I am not a violent person,I'm very calm and relaxed but I would feel very sorry for the idiot that thinks they can invade my home or harm my family.That being said here are a few of MY favorite quotes/sayings....

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill,
that we will pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship,
support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the
survival and the success of Liberty.

~ President John F. Kennedy ~

There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.

~George Washington~

Lee Harvey Oswald,shooting from the top floor of the Book Depository was able to take 3 shots from an old Italian bolt action rifle. From a distance of over 258 feet and shooting at a moving target he was able to score 2 hits including a headshot. Now does anyone know where he learned to shoot like this? In the Marine Corps ladies!

~Full Metal Jacket~

I feel sorry for the weak....

http://forums.powervs.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=899&perpage=15&pagenumber=19

by **yaDad** » Sun Sep 14, 2003 11:50 pm

Card totin NRA member with a 12yr old son who shot his first .22 at prolly age 8 and has since shot everything that i own.
my father was in the USMC and i was as well so i have always had guns around but was educated well on the uses and abuses of them. i am from the SE USA and i think that the views here are much more pro gun than in other parts of the country but then again i am in a mostly rural area and i believe that the 'got to own a gun' view is correct for this location. thus my own list is long.

PISTOLS

S&W .38 airweigt revolver
H&R .22 revolver
Glock 19 high cap clip pre ban
S&W .22 mag mini revolver
Colt navy BP revolver
another BP revolver(cant remember make)

LONG GUNS

BP civil war copy kentucky rifle
SKS
M1 Garand
M1 carbine
Remington Nylon 22
Ruger mini 14
Ruger 22
Winchester model 70 30-30
Valmet m82 full auto(pre ban)
Mossberg model 500 12g
Winchester 4.10
Remington 1100

i think thats all...all in safe locked up except for the Glock that is mostly always close at hand.
all are registered and i am legal to carry a pistol as long as it is not concealed and i sometimes do.

me and my son often go shooting an i think that it is a crucial part of his growing up. it is quite expensive to fire some of the guns so the .22 and the 5.56 nato cals are the ones that are most often used for target practice.

i think that we should have the right to own guns but there should be much more strict licencing and regulation of them. i do not think that the average police officer should carry a firearm on his person. the UK method i believe is better. carry a billy club and keep the firearm in the car or with a swat team something like that. this makes the officer more of a human...and people think differently about them..less aggresive in the first place.

i will prolly get flamed for this but then again who knows.

by **Dark Hound** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:25 am

well i live in canada so no need for a gun here. I enjoyed reading the post that Yadad made, it is one of the most enlightend perspectives i've heard from a very pro gun person. I think that guns are a very hard thing to know what to do about. I can understand the right that American's have that pertains to the posetion of firearms, I just feel that as Yadad said, that there should be a lot more regulation and teaching done to make it a little safer for people in the states. Wouldnt it be great to see a manditory class at school that deals with the safty aspect of firearms, as well as, the proper use of them, but of course the class would not have any real firearms they would have to be fake ones, not even air powered one due to the safty aspect. Just thought i'd say something and I tried very hard not to offend anyone (pro gun or anti gun). I beleave that everyone has the right to there own opinion and that it should be heard and taken into consideration before attacking that person or another.

Take care and be safe

Hound:violin:

by **JimmyTango** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:20 am

Originally posted by RCglider

It's strange how things have changed. When I was in elementary school (public school) it was no big thing to bring in Grandpa's old shotgun for show n tell, and carrying pocket knives weren't even an issue. Nowadays, get caught with a plastic butter knife and you're suspended or expelled. That's one reason why I don't send my kids to government school wastelands. Plus they'll get a better education for about 1/3 the cost.

To deter crime, we need more guns, not less.

I wasn't going to respond to this stupid thread anymore, then you p[osted this. It speaks for itself.

by **PudriK** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:42 pm

The 2nd Amendment was included because the writers recognized the necessity of an armed populus to counter the abuses of central government.

From Fedralist No. 46:

The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty-thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties and united and conducted by governments possesing their affections and confidence.... Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans posses over the people of almost every otehr nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountabel than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.

There is much more to this, but I think it carries the point. Of course, the numbers and also likely the proportion are outdated. The sentiment is one that few people still recognize in the more urban parts of the country--that, when it comes down to it, your last defense from an abusive government is the means to defend yourself. What was once the state militia has evolved into the National Guard, but the ability for free people to unite for the purposes of self-defense still remains.

Nowadays, most citizens are more concerned with what the Federal Government can give them, instead of what it can take away, but as increasing handouts necessitate further burdens placed upon the people as a whole, it may come to a point where we become concerned with our ability to restrain an overzealous government. This may seem at first like a crazy notion, given our representative government, but history has shown that representative governments can tend towards despotism over time. (See France 19th c., Roman Empire, Germany 1930s).

As for the problems of the inner cities, I would submit that the issue is not the accessibility of firearms, but a culture which reinforces and even celebrates the use of violence. As argument, I would point out that in the past firearms were more accesible, as demonstrated by the poster who spoke of bringing grandad's shotgun for show and tell. Back then, most fights were resolved using fists. How is it that now, with waiting lists, gun laws, and school metal detectors we have problems with juvenile murders? I would point my finger at a society that has abandoned the concepts of "decency," and what is "unacceptable for children."

It is up to each of us, while blasting away at each other every night, to prohibit our children from any exposure to such games, movies, television shows, etc. until we are absolutely certain that they have the psychological maturity to recognize reality from fantasy.

by **JAG** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 1:54 am

Pudrik, I just wanted to say that your post was great. Very well reasoned and I found the Federalist Papers reference interesting. My views on violence and the growing use of guns for crime falls in line with yours.

by **-HaVoC-** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:35 am

Winchester model 94 30/30.

by **JimmyTango** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:38 am

Wow is that sad.

Before you claim that our goverment will have our armies run us over without guns, go ask soldiers if they will follow those orders. My best friend, who is leaving next month to begin training for insertion into Iraq(who, BTW, is part of the National Guard), who is for any and all guns you want to own because we should have the right, even laughs at this reason.

Not one of the three countries you picked to prove it has happened before are even remotely close to the democracy we have in this country.

Rome was not a society of equals. Their army(besides their Legions) consisted of slaves promised to be a Roman if they served for X years(I think it was 15), being granted all the privlages of a Roman, and extended to their family. Rome, for most of their Republic, had a Senate that was basicly a show piece for the people.

France? France had a series or revolutions. After the final, and the dust settled, they have been a fine representative government. Their series of revolutions are also the series a country would have to take to become a true communist State(there never has been one real communist nation...EVER).

And then Germany of the 30's. This is is just mind blowing. You are talking about a country that has NEVER seen the type of hardship Germany saw at that point. Peopel think of the Great Depression and do not realize it was world wide, with Germany hit the hardest. This played into Hitlers hand, and was the only way he came to power. He turned their democracy into a dictatorship NOT buy taking over the army(they had crap for an army at this point), but by political strategy.

There is a reason why, on TV and in movies, when you see them talk about gun control, they always make fun of 'if we do not have guns, the government will sweep down on us and take our freedom.'

I just never thought anyone truely believed it.

Ask yourself. If you were in the army, and were told to attack your neighborhood for a reason you knew to be false, under false pretenses, etc, would you? If so, there is no reason for you to ever carry a weapon.

Why not point to England, the evil country we escaped, only to be ouyr closest ally since the end of WW2. Why haven't they walked over their peopel since becoming a representative government?

by **bluegoose** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 8:41 am

Ok Jimmy, you say that soldiers would never follow an order like that, that's not the point. If ther government were ever to get to a point where such an order were given, it is the right and duty of the people to rise up and form a new government. (And to say that such an event could never happen is just ingnorant.) The Fore Fathers knew this, which is the main reason they added it to the constitution. I support a certain amount of gun control to keep guns out of the hands of violent, repeat offender criminals. I also support better gun education becuase there is nothing more dangerous than a person with a gun who does not know how to use it, and these people are the reason there are so many gun accidents but the bottom line, is that the 2nd amendment exists and it's not going anywhere, ever.

Edit: Forgot my gun

SIG Sauer P226 .357 SIG

by **JimmyTango** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:16 am

The 'Fore Fathers' had this becasue they came off of an overbearing government, and did not want another. It was a comprimise.

BTW, they also had no federal taxes, as most were affraid because of what that same overbearing government had done with taxes before. later, federal taxes were realized to be manditory.

P.S., we elect our leaders. The chance of us electing a president that will give such an order is about as likely as Martians attacking Earth. Ignorant is thinking it will happen or is likely to happen........

by **Doug the Unforgiven** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:20 am

Why does defending oneself from criminals get ignored in this discussion? It's not just about gov't tyranny. As long as there are violent criminals there will be a need to defend against them.

Jimmy, even though you are a full-time negative-Nancy and a potential accidental child-rapist, I actually agree with you on the subject of whether servicemen would follow such illegal orders as to attack their own countrymen (I was in the Guard). But where we are both wrong is Waco. The government used enough propaganda, made up on each whim (and with little or no proof), to convince America that the Davidians were dangerous and evil. They were kooks and idiots, but that's another story. Make no mistake, that was a military standoff. And it went terribly wrong. Where were the men who courageously disobeyed illegal or harmful orders? By all credible accounts, the Davidians never fired a shot, but that didn't keep them from being incinerated.

I hope like hell, in the case of a lawful mass uprising, that we are both correct and our servicemen will have the stones to disobey murderous orders, even if under the threat of capital punishment. Hopefully the day will never come.

Missouri just passed right-to-carry. I'm getting a permit ASAP so I can start legally indiscriminately killing.

by **JimmyTango** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:31 am

How am I a negative nancy when you are the one who needs something specificly made to kill? Not only that, but you are arming yourself against evil doers that may come and steel your TV and you have the right to blow their brains out?

Your continuation of this accidential child rapist bullshit is showing your lack of understanding basic English. How is it, someone who lacks basic English comprehension is allowed to own a fire arm? I mean, trailer trash like you in no way need to have fire arms laying around for their illiterate, webbed feet, inbred children to play with.

Before you start crying about me making fun of your trailer lifestyle(on the corner of redneck and mullet, right?), or your children, you started it with the 'you are a potential accidential child rapest' bullshit. You took it WAY too far with that comment, asshole.

Next time you are in NE Ohio, shoot me a PM.

by **Doug the Unforgiven** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:56 am

Originally posted by JimmyTango
I wasn't going to respond to this stupid thread anymore, then you p[osted this. It speaks for itself.

Haha!!! I said "violent criminals." Once again you dodge an easy question by ignoring what is written. I even agreed with you (partly) on a point. But, as usual, you would rather flame and insult. I turned it around on you and you don't seem to appreciate it much (obviously that will be lost on you).

BTW, you live in NE Ohio and you're calling me trailer trash? LOL!
Time for me to jump in my pickup and go tip some cows. :rotflmao:

by **JimmyTango** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:11 am

1) Your violent criminals thingy. I have already stated: look at countries with strict gun laws. How many gun related deathes are there compared to here. That is your answer. Yes, I understand if guns are banned today, tomorrow there will still be the same amount of the streets. It is not a one day fix.

2) Um, look up Ohio and it's population size. It bounces from 5th to 7th largest(as of last election, 7th). Get a clue, hilljack.

by **Lt. Wilson** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:10 am

Originally posted by JimmyTango
Not only that, but you are arming yourself against evil doers that may come and steel your TV and you have the right to blow their brains out?

Jimmy,first thing is that I am from Huntington,W.Va.,grew up across the Ohio river where my cousins and grandparents lived(Proctorville),now my family (parents and brother) live there and Ohio is a shit hole, never been anywhere except the Canton-Akron area in Ohio that isn't a shit hole.Where you from anyway? I'm leaving tomorrow to Canton for a wedding.

Second,if someone breaks into my house I'm blowing them away no questions asked,It won't be a discussion of why they are breaking in or are they armed and did you intend to rape my wife or kids and/or kill me...would you get up in the middle of the night and ask an intruder these questions? I seriously doubt it,they would shoot you in the head before you could get out "Excuse me Mr. Burglar". I'm not taking the chance.....how old are you? Do you have a family? Just curious....

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