No Holds Barred Beach
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by Nofx » Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:12 pm
Originally posted by Keekanoo
Good players won't bother posting here, but I couldn't let this one slide by. Please be sure to announce the day in advance so that the majority of people who want a quality game can go elsewhere.
Keek.
^---So says the spokesperson for all "good players"?
And yes, plz announce this day in advanced so the majority of players who like to play for fun and enjoy a good laugh can come.
- Keekanoo
by Keekanoo » Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:26 pm
BAaaaahhhahahah@Zog *Gee..that almost sounds like Balrog*
Zog dearest.... It's evident that you have a couple of groupies. Cream rises and all that kind of stuff (curds do to--except in Iran). You and your bunch want a noob wack-fest so you can inflate your already bursting ego even more.
You seem incapable of examing the facts as I've clearly stated them, or of listening to anyone outside of your own clique.
So...I write the following not for your benefit, Zog, but for any others that come here and wish to appraise healthy gaming dynamics for themselves.
When I first arrived at the Beach, about a year ago, Lieutenants started with a full charge bar. Air-strike barrages were non-stop. Not only was it virtually impossible for any cohesive team-play to occur, but it also disrupted basic game properties like sound and 'area of affect' of the airstrikes (when placed correctly they would strike through concrete bunkers 2 levels down, killing everyone).
Yes it was still possible to transmit the docs--though mostly from a group of people (guess who?) complaining that meds should get a faaster charge bar to compensate for the absurdity of the incessant air-strikes. So then a whole style developed around 'dashing' for the docs as a med or a med-team. Their med-energy recharged so quickly they were virtually impossible to take out. But the game could hardly be called fun for anyone. And I certainly loved doing air-strikes. As a newb, I could kill 10 guys with one air-strike, die, spawn, and kill 10 more in 10 seconds. It wasn't unusual for me to get well over 100 kills per match. Usually around 140.
Finally enough people griped about it--and I was one of them--that Boc made the changes that we now see on the Beach. And I completely support the change. Yes, my kill ratio bottomed out, but the games have been a lot tougher and more fun.
End of an era. Airstrike spam was gone, people settled down to learn a different style of game. Soon enough.... some faust-users discovered the art of timing allied spawns. They would get so good at it that they would mentally count down the spawn shield, jump up and blast the allies running in the trenches. Allies dropped in droves. This science was perfected to the point that about 3 months ago the server was getting disgusting to play on.
LOTS of people complained. They made polls. Several of them. They talked about it endlessly in threads. They talked about it constantly in the game. And yes, I was certainly one of the complainers. The new warrior to emerge after the air-strikes was the Faust jock--a guy who could blast the trenches, leap down to get a goomba while throwing a gernade, likely die on impact, respawn and do it over and over and over till he ran out of lives. Game play went down the tubes.
Fausts don't just disrupt game-play for the absurd way they can skillessly kill opponents. Who here hasn't spent endless hours of frustration being blocked by tards trying to fire their faust from spawn doors? Or from any door? Any noob who gets a faust seems oblvious to the concept of blocking, and assumes it's their God-given right to stand in door-ways to aim their precious weapon.
Myself and a lot of admins would sit and spend most of our time as allies dealing with faust door-blockers.
And guess what? When the fausts were limited to 2--there were hardly any blockers. Any admin who played will say that. Except Zog of course--or those too close to him. The game flowed smoothly. For once people ran to the front, engaged the enemy rapidly and fantastic battles ensued. Anyone who didn't notice that in the short time the limit was at 2 would have to have been hiding in the war room or the ducts. Anyone else top-side saw massive gun-fights going on.
And yeah, I like gun-fights, no question about it. I also go for head-shots. Call me stupid, purist, needy for attention (LMFAO) or whatever--that's my particular enjoyment of the game. Guess there's something wrong with me when I enjoy a fairly even gun-fight with someone. And I guess there's something wrong with me that I don't take pleasure in faust-blasting packs of noobs. Whatever--none of us like the same things. The point with the faust reduction was that A., there were veterans who knew how to capitlize on game timings to wipe out entire battalions of the enemy and B., that a limit on fausts directly corelates to a limit in blocking. That there are more gun-fights is a bonus, for me, but certainly not my primary motive.
I am, and always will be, motivated by what's best for the greatest amount. Not a controlling 'elite' who want to keep things stacked so they can have their private bit of fun. Ask why I use a Sten, Zog....I use it because it's a challange. My kill-ratio has gone down drastically. It's hard to even take out one noob--as long as the noob moves around a bit. And I'll bet a thousand bucks that noob walks away from that encounter feeling a lot more like he's played a game than if he appears at a spawn and gets blasted to smithereens 6 seconds later.
It's unfortunate that a lot of good players didn't have more to say in the forums about the faust changes. They certainly talked about it in the game a lot--or to me privately.
Needless to say, what we are seeing in here, and what Boc is seeing, is the majority of people who don't want their precious noob-beater taken away kavetching like crazy. You lot may appear like a majority because your teamed together, but it certainly doesn't weigh in at a fraction of what the true populace's sentiments are.
keek.
Zog dearest.... It's evident that you have a couple of groupies. Cream rises and all that kind of stuff (curds do to--except in Iran). You and your bunch want a noob wack-fest so you can inflate your already bursting ego even more.
You seem incapable of examing the facts as I've clearly stated them, or of listening to anyone outside of your own clique.
So...I write the following not for your benefit, Zog, but for any others that come here and wish to appraise healthy gaming dynamics for themselves.
When I first arrived at the Beach, about a year ago, Lieutenants started with a full charge bar. Air-strike barrages were non-stop. Not only was it virtually impossible for any cohesive team-play to occur, but it also disrupted basic game properties like sound and 'area of affect' of the airstrikes (when placed correctly they would strike through concrete bunkers 2 levels down, killing everyone).
Yes it was still possible to transmit the docs--though mostly from a group of people (guess who?) complaining that meds should get a faaster charge bar to compensate for the absurdity of the incessant air-strikes. So then a whole style developed around 'dashing' for the docs as a med or a med-team. Their med-energy recharged so quickly they were virtually impossible to take out. But the game could hardly be called fun for anyone. And I certainly loved doing air-strikes. As a newb, I could kill 10 guys with one air-strike, die, spawn, and kill 10 more in 10 seconds. It wasn't unusual for me to get well over 100 kills per match. Usually around 140.
Finally enough people griped about it--and I was one of them--that Boc made the changes that we now see on the Beach. And I completely support the change. Yes, my kill ratio bottomed out, but the games have been a lot tougher and more fun.
End of an era. Airstrike spam was gone, people settled down to learn a different style of game. Soon enough.... some faust-users discovered the art of timing allied spawns. They would get so good at it that they would mentally count down the spawn shield, jump up and blast the allies running in the trenches. Allies dropped in droves. This science was perfected to the point that about 3 months ago the server was getting disgusting to play on.
LOTS of people complained. They made polls. Several of them. They talked about it endlessly in threads. They talked about it constantly in the game. And yes, I was certainly one of the complainers. The new warrior to emerge after the air-strikes was the Faust jock--a guy who could blast the trenches, leap down to get a goomba while throwing a gernade, likely die on impact, respawn and do it over and over and over till he ran out of lives. Game play went down the tubes.
Fausts don't just disrupt game-play for the absurd way they can skillessly kill opponents. Who here hasn't spent endless hours of frustration being blocked by tards trying to fire their faust from spawn doors? Or from any door? Any noob who gets a faust seems oblvious to the concept of blocking, and assumes it's their God-given right to stand in door-ways to aim their precious weapon.
Myself and a lot of admins would sit and spend most of our time as allies dealing with faust door-blockers.
And guess what? When the fausts were limited to 2--there were hardly any blockers. Any admin who played will say that. Except Zog of course--or those too close to him. The game flowed smoothly. For once people ran to the front, engaged the enemy rapidly and fantastic battles ensued. Anyone who didn't notice that in the short time the limit was at 2 would have to have been hiding in the war room or the ducts. Anyone else top-side saw massive gun-fights going on.
And yeah, I like gun-fights, no question about it. I also go for head-shots. Call me stupid, purist, needy for attention (LMFAO) or whatever--that's my particular enjoyment of the game. Guess there's something wrong with me when I enjoy a fairly even gun-fight with someone. And I guess there's something wrong with me that I don't take pleasure in faust-blasting packs of noobs. Whatever--none of us like the same things. The point with the faust reduction was that A., there were veterans who knew how to capitlize on game timings to wipe out entire battalions of the enemy and B., that a limit on fausts directly corelates to a limit in blocking. That there are more gun-fights is a bonus, for me, but certainly not my primary motive.
I am, and always will be, motivated by what's best for the greatest amount. Not a controlling 'elite' who want to keep things stacked so they can have their private bit of fun. Ask why I use a Sten, Zog....I use it because it's a challange. My kill-ratio has gone down drastically. It's hard to even take out one noob--as long as the noob moves around a bit. And I'll bet a thousand bucks that noob walks away from that encounter feeling a lot more like he's played a game than if he appears at a spawn and gets blasted to smithereens 6 seconds later.
It's unfortunate that a lot of good players didn't have more to say in the forums about the faust changes. They certainly talked about it in the game a lot--or to me privately.
Needless to say, what we are seeing in here, and what Boc is seeing, is the majority of people who don't want their precious noob-beater taken away kavetching like crazy. You lot may appear like a majority because your teamed together, but it certainly doesn't weigh in at a fraction of what the true populace's sentiments are.
keek.
by Lord ZOG » Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:28 pm
Keek, your long winded diatribe could be summed up in an easy two-word statement;
Screw you.
I may add the following;
...and the horse you rode in on.
Call me crazy, but I find the challenge of winning the game to be quite satisfying.
As a Post Script; Boc changed the panzer limit to 3. That's a good compromise in my opinion. I'm happy with that. If you're not, you're obviously not interested in working out a happy medium.
Screw you.
I may add the following;
...and the horse you rode in on.
Ask why I use a Sten, Zog....I use it because it's a challange.
Call me crazy, but I find the challenge of winning the game to be quite satisfying.
As a Post Script; Boc changed the panzer limit to 3. That's a good compromise in my opinion. I'm happy with that. If you're not, you're obviously not interested in working out a happy medium.
Lord ZOG
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
- =XAV=
by =XAV= » Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:32 pm
Originally posted by Keekanoo
You're quite right, Radram. It will be lusty carnage with no room for finesse or skills.
Didn't they have nukes in the 2nd WW? This game needs nukes.
Boc, make sure you take off spawn protection. And don't forget to reduce med re-charge back to what it defaults to. Ooops...can't do that. Be too much veteran skill-less wanks bitching about that.
Good players won't bother posting here, but I couldn't let this one slide by. Please be sure to announce the day in advance so that the majority of people who want a quality game can go elsewhere.
Keek.
Hi everyone, especially Keek,
It does not happen a lot but I'd like to react to what you've been saying for several weeks: you always devaluate panzer users and you're getting boring, please change the tape... These are players as others, trying to reach their goal: winning the game.
When I look at your stats (I know you don't care about these...
) I see that your 2nd cause of mortality is panzer (1st being grenade). I'm not going to speak about your skill at weapons because your stats are, according to me, very good. What I don't understand is why you so much hate panzers... Is it because you can't handle it? Is it because you don't especially see the one who kills you with it? Or simply because you too often die because of it?
All your words make me angry because, through what you say, you seem to be an elitist. Just paying attention to what you're good at...
You told, few days ago, that everybody can kill (that's true) but Head Shots were important for you, almost only this.
I thought that having fun was the most important (the 1st goal of a game, hatever it is)
There's a weapon I hate being killed by: Mauser. BUT I admire a guy like MING who kills a lot of people with an incredible precision. I admire his skill and fastness. BUT (if you allow me, Ming) this kind of players takes a minimum of risk: shooting people at 200 yards... They're helpful but as helpful as panzer users...
Bye
Xavier
They're part of elite: elite shooters, not elite players (don't be angry at me, Ming, it's nothing personnal)
- FAT TONY
by FAT TONY » Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:37 pm
hey,
i was a faust jock... BUT heres the thing, IF YOU ARE OUT TO BE ELITE>..... why the hell would you play on a laggy 64 player server w/ FF off?.. if you really cared out skillz etc.. you be playign on a limited life 20 player server w/ FF on.... i played there to kill mass amounts of ppl... not to get ready for league play... think about it... 64 players = fun server.... i say no limits ever... if you want to get good... go play elsewhere.. my opinion...
ri0t
i was a faust jock... BUT heres the thing, IF YOU ARE OUT TO BE ELITE>..... why the hell would you play on a laggy 64 player server w/ FF off?.. if you really cared out skillz etc.. you be playign on a limited life 20 player server w/ FF on.... i played there to kill mass amounts of ppl... not to get ready for league play... think about it... 64 players = fun server.... i say no limits ever... if you want to get good... go play elsewhere.. my opinion...
ri0t
by Lord ZOG » Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:40 pm
Originally posted by FAT TONY
hey,
i was a faust jock... BUT heres the thing, IF YOU ARE OUT TO BE ELITE>..... why the hell would you play on a laggy 64 player server w/ FF off?.. if you really cared out skillz etc.. you be playign on a limited life 20 player server w/ FF on.... i played there to kill mass amounts of ppl... not to get ready for league play... think about it... 64 players = fun server.... i say no limits ever... if you want to get good... go play elsewhere.. my opinion...
ri0t
I never put much credibility in what Anguish/Fat Tony/Riot ever said, but he nailed it. Well said, Riot.
This is an FF off server. You scary-skilled elitists are quite the hypocrates to inject your standards on the rest of us.
Edogg is the best damn ET/Wolf player I've played with/against, period, end-f-story...but pulease, don't piss and moan because you can't dominate EVERY game you're in.
Lord ZOG
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
- FAT TONY
by FAT TONY » Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:41 pm
o and also since i feel opinionated today... s.s. in general is a joke.. i have recently played on there ET server.... they put ALL s.s. on 1 team while swicthing low xp to opposite... they leave high xp ppl on there side... they stack teams talk shit and feel like there pros... yet maybe 1 or 2 killed me 1 on 1 more than once if at all... they are all powertriping... they are there to yank the fun out of things only to build there ego...
ri0t
ri0t
by Lord ZOG » Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:43 pm
Sheesh....Tony/Riot...just when I thought you had turned the corner.
Truth be told about our servers, a lot of our guys play without their tags and were playing on both sides. We're aware of the team stacking accusations, and a lot of our guys bite their pillows and play under different names...often times to take a true beating. I've done that myself, and it's frustrating to be surrounded by skill-less boobs.
The servers we run can be fun, or they can be frustrating. You mix the squads up and you run the real risk of being stuck with some real noobs. Jump on a team with people you've played with and can work with as a team and you're accused of team stacking.
Think about that for a few minutes.
Truth be told about our servers, a lot of our guys play without their tags and were playing on both sides. We're aware of the team stacking accusations, and a lot of our guys bite their pillows and play under different names...often times to take a true beating. I've done that myself, and it's frustrating to be surrounded by skill-less boobs.
The servers we run can be fun, or they can be frustrating. You mix the squads up and you run the real risk of being stuck with some real noobs. Jump on a team with people you've played with and can work with as a team and you're accused of team stacking.
Think about that for a few minutes.
Lord ZOG
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
- FAT TONY
by FAT TONY » Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:54 pm
well zog if that case i appologize.. it just seemed that every low xp noob eneded up w/ me... we were pinned in spawn as the s.s ppl bragged.... it just seemed like stacking.. especially when an admin came on and swicthed all the ppl... it was just frustrating... it may not happen all the time but when i was there it did...
ri0t
ri0t
by Nofx » Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:29 pm
Originally posted by FAT TONY
hey,
i was a faust jock... BUT heres the thing, IF YOU ARE OUT TO BE ELITE>..... why the hell would you play on a laggy 64 player server w/ FF off?.. if you really cared out skillz etc.. you be playign on a limited life 20 player server w/ FF on.... i played there to kill mass amounts of ppl... not to get ready for league play... think about it... 64 players = fun server.... i say no limits ever... if you want to get good... go play elsewhere.. my opinion...
ri0t
ahem...if its just a "=fun server"....why did we all have to suffer through nonstop "omgf move nobo"s...You played there to kill mass amounts of people? Thats only on axis =D
- =XAV=
by =XAV= » Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:29 pm
What I wanted to say, Fat Tony, is that we're here for fun. Some have fun with Sniping, other with panzering, others with complaining...
I don't care who kills me or how I'm killed. I spend my time on ECGN server because of the fun I have by having up to 32 people in front of me.
This is the only server that allows 63 people at the same time. Rules are good for the game. I totally agree with the introduction of gravity, because it is REAL. But limiting the amount of one weapon is like saying to kids: "we have 4 chewing gums, I you wanna taste it, you'll have to borrow it from the guy next to you.
Xavier
I don't care who kills me or how I'm killed. I spend my time on ECGN server because of the fun I have by having up to 32 people in front of me.
This is the only server that allows 63 people at the same time. Rules are good for the game. I totally agree with the introduction of gravity, because it is REAL. But limiting the amount of one weapon is like saying to kids: "we have 4 chewing gums, I you wanna taste it, you'll have to borrow it from the guy next to you.
Xavier
by Lord ZOG » Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:30 pm
Hey Tony, believe me. I've bitten the bullet and played on the 'other side' so people wouldn't accuse the S.S. of stacking and it sucked.
It's a double-edged sword. Play on a team with people you know and it's "TEAM STACKING". Shuffle the teams and you end up staring at your mindless team-mates resisting the urge to TK the whole lot.
We have some guys who rub things in, every group does. It doesn't reflect the entire group.
It's a double-edged sword. Play on a team with people you know and it's "TEAM STACKING". Shuffle the teams and you end up staring at your mindless team-mates resisting the urge to TK the whole lot.
We have some guys who rub things in, every group does. It doesn't reflect the entire group.
Lord ZOG
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
by (SEETHER) » Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:36 pm
Well, I may not play on the server with unlimited airstrikes. I would love to. My fps is so low right now (20), that is without being next to an airstrike. When I am next to one, my fps goes down to like 5. God knows what it is going to be like with 10 airstrikes going off at once.
Did someone say turn FF on, during this thing? Or is that just me? Is my mind going to mush?
S.S.SEETHER
Did someone say turn FF on, during this thing? Or is that just me? Is my mind going to mush?
S.S.SEETHER
{Seether}
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