TAX TIME .. bend over

by **smithpa68** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:35 pm

I know its early, but I just ran some preliminary numbers and just had to vent. This is BS.

No house + single + make decent money = screwed!!!

I can't even deduct college expenses !!!

Not only that, I have to sit and watch my neighborhood be invaded by section 8 renters who could give a rat's ass about living in a nice area. Our tax dollars pay their G-damn rent and they trash up the neighborhood, play their F-ing loud booming music, beat up their wife (no I am not making this up. It was witnessed twice so its a fact... not a sterotype). And the corner wine and spirits store owner knows them all too well.

G-damn goverment entitlement program BS using my money for this kind of crap.

:wall:

(if I crossed the line with my language please delete. But at least I feel a little bit better):mad:

by **Fat Bastard** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:43 am

I feel the same way bro, this country as much as i love it is going to crap with all the welfare and crap. Keep telling the wife were going to move to mexico or australia.

by **Tommy Boy** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:05 am

just be lucky that you do not live here in Canada...our taxes are between 40-48% of your income...

We really get bent over (depending on the income bracket that you are in).

by **RCglider** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:14 am

We got what we deserve. The following was written by Alexander Tyler, an 18th Century historian. So, what step are we at now?

The Cycle of Democracy (ed. in the U.S., a Representative Republic):

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.

by **Ralph Wiggum** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:08 am

This is why all most people with paying jobs vote for the Grand Old Party.

I don't know their rates off the top of my head, but as far as taxes are concerned, I think you're fooling yourself if you think Australia has lower taxes than the U.S. Australia is like Canada in a bikini.

by **Chacal** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:52 am

Ewwww big hairy guy in a bikini.

by **Horsepower** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:54 am

Originally posted by RCglider
from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency

i think we're somewhere in between these steps.

Great quote RCGilder. i've never heard of that guy before. i'll have to read some more of his stuff.

by **Murgatroyd** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:13 am

All right, check this out. If you think taxes are bad, take a look at healthcare.

Welfare generally pays 3 cents on the dollar of COST for hospital and physician services. (Now they pay what is called a PAPI which is a set rate based on how much money a facility bills for in a fiscal year for various services, but I won't get into it, the average is still about the same). Approximately 50% of all hospital services are administered to people on welfare. Here's the funky part. HCFA, the Healthcare Finance Administration, sets the guidelines for healthcare pricings. HCFA allows for hospitals to charge private insurers lots and lots of money in order to recoup their losses to welfare, therefore, you also pay through the nose for health insurance, as a result of welfare recipients using the same healthcare facilities.

Think it stops there? Nope. The federal government has instituted a program known as "Free Care", for uninsured individuals who need emergency healthcare. Here's how it works: The government establishes an amount of money, a quota of freecare that hospitals have to give out per year. Let's say it's 3 million dollars. If a hospital gives out only 1.3 million in free care, they have to pay the government 1.7 million, (yes I said pay the government) and if they go over the 3 million mark, that's when the government starts reimbursing the hospital at a ridiculously low rate. The amounts are determined individually for hospitals based on the demographics of the hospital's location. I said 3 million because that's about what it is for where I work right now. Oh, and I forgot to mention that since Governor Romney cut welfare that uncompensated ER visits are up 25% in Massachusetts. Another interesting statistic, 25% of the population of Worcester (where I live) are on welfare. So 1 out of every 4 people. Ouch. Tell me there's not some abuse of the system going on here.

Anyhow, that's my rant.

That quote is nice, he obviously studied the histories of Athens and Rome.

by **=V!per=** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:11 am

I'm not worried, I'll be getting a refund

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Unfortunately, unlike most poor people I refuse to be complacent and stay at my current position of financial peril.

by **smithpa68** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:44 am

Originally posted by RCglider
We got what we deserve. The following was written by Alexander Tyler, an 18th Century historian. So, what step are we at now?

The Cycle of Democracy (ed. in the U.S., a Representative Republic):

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.

Great quote RC. We better watch out.

And...I know we have a better tax rate than Canada or UK....but it still pisses me off.

by **igloo17** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:18 pm

Originally posted by RCglider
We got what we deserve. The following was written by Alexander Tyler, an 18th Century historian. So, what step are we at now?

The Cycle of Democracy (ed. in the U.S., a Representative Republic):

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.

Thanks glider for posting that quote, I read that about 3 or 4 years ago.

And actually we are closer to bondage than most think, If you go read more about this quote, what follows the 200yr number is a revolution, so the question really is: How close to a revolution are we? Or do you think things can be fixed for another 200yrs?

Just some things to think about as you figure out how much more you have to pay.

by **RCglider** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:27 pm

Originally posted by smithpa68
Great quote RC. We better watch out.

And...I know we have a better tax rate than Canada or UK....but it still pisses me off.

When certain politicians talk about the "rich" what they really mean is anyone that pays taxes. Considering 50% of the population pays 0% income tax (and no, it's not the "rich"), class warfare has become a favorite tool for political campaigns.

Want to get even more upset? How about the earned income tax credit? Let's see.....pay 0% income tax, yet get a tax refund. Remember that the next time you hear a politician whine about the "poor" not getting a tax cut.

If everyone paid the same amount (enumerated, not by percentage), we wouldn't have the bloated government we see today. I'll bet the vast majority of Americans don't even realize that direct taxation was unconstitutional until the 16th Amendment, which many say was never ratified legally.

"From each according to their ability and to each according to their needs." That pretty much sums it up: redistribution of wealth.

by **smithpa68** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:33 pm

I certainly don't feel rich. I live in a a townhouse and drive a 1998 Honda. But in a politicians eye I am rich. Easy to say for someone who will get his salary for life even if he only spends one term in Congress.

Too many Americans don't take an interest in where their money goes. They just take a fiery speech on CNN and say..."that does sound bad.. we really should do something".

Not all mind you.. but entirely too many.

by **igloo17** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:57 pm

Originally posted by RCglider

"From each according to their ability and to each according to their needs." That pretty much sums it up: redistribution of wealth.

Yes our current system is a redistribution of wealth, its not socialism yet, but is turning into it, thats why I think we are closer to the bondage than most think.

When elected officials make more than the average person and get 1000% better 'free' heathcare, the system is broken.

by **Horsepower** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:01 pm

Originally posted by smithpa68
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Too many Americans don't take an interest in where their money goes.

And too many Americans are apathetic about being involved in the voting process. I cannot understand why people dont feel the need to vote.

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